William replied grimly. "He's going to purge them the old-fashioned way with knives in the dark. I approve. The problem will be managing the precedents we set."terrymixon wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 8:53 pm“Perhaps I’m being dense, but I’m not sure. I really understand what you’re saying. What kind of anarchy are you looking to cause and who’s going to be involved in creating it?”Tiglath wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 7:54 pmGarvin replies "Megacorporations - that's just another civil war on a slightly smaller and more local scale. They're designed to resist takeover from each other - private war fleets, little armies of Mercs so they're not going to just roll over. You've maybe more chance with the nobility in that you can command their loyalty but now there's effectively two Crowns in play if you put too much pressure on 'em they'll just switch sides - if they think they can get away with it".terrymixon wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 2:25 pm The Ciencia what doesn’t look like her original form looks at Garvin.
“You are a voice from the, I don’t know. Underworld? What do you think and advise? What can we do about the megacorporations? And crooked nobles in the Core or here?”
He rakes his fingers through his blond hair, pacing "I'm not really the Underworld so much as "successful private enterprise" - but I speak their language. We've seen the Underworld here on Aki - it's the "Overworld" that's the problem... but they still 'ave to live in Imperial society: corporates, nobs - they're embedded in it but not part of it... unlike me. I mean yer average professional criminal is still basically yer average Imperial citizen... just with a bit more... ambition...".
Clearly following a train of thought he suddenly grins "The solution to your problem is actually quite simple in theory and the resources are already in place - just swap out the disloyal criminals for loyal ones! I'm goin' to need a number of Imperial Pardons, Warrants of Seizure and grants of Immunity from Prosecution for "acts committed in service of the Empire". All blank. Some cash, access to military small arms an' support weapons to kick start it... after a while it'll broadly fund itself. Me and Arkar could run it with Aster".
He shrugs "There'll maybe a bit of anarchy but once everyone's changed seats an' the music stops you'll find no one likes a bit of basic law an' order more than a professional criminal made good an' lookin' to retire".
He adds with a grin "You did ask".
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Garvin replies "There will be a brief not too messy "gang war". One side will know to minimize civilian casualties on the grounds of good business and the other side 'opefully won't see too much of it comin' until they've taken a big nasty 'it. They'll be the odd untidy bit but the result should be a transfer of assets from ruddy degenerate sociopaths to yer run of the mill career criminals loyal to their own roots and people - and also loyal to the New Domain. All required forces are already in place and will be fightin' with both the element of surprise and what I'd call 'ome field advantage".helvorn wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 9:00 pmWilliam replied grimly. "He's going to purge them the old-fashioned way with knives in the dark. I approve. The problem will be managing the precedents we set."terrymixon wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 8:53 pm “Perhaps I’m being dense, but I’m not sure. I really understand what you’re saying. What kind of anarchy are you looking to cause and who’s going to be involved in creating it?”
He adds "Whatever level of victory is achieved the Nobility and the Corporates will be lookin' to their own affairs and not interferein' in those of state at least for the short to mid term. You get yer military "breathin' space" to establish the New Domain with the backfield quiet and a good 'eadstart on tidyin' up what's left of the local opposition".
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"That sounds as bloody as a civil war," she said after a few moments. "And what says those who replace the others will be more loyal to me? A pardon in advance? First, if word of that ever leaked--which it would--then it would haunt my reign. Second, it would probably be a case of the new boss, same as the old boss. I don't know..."Tiglath wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 9:28 pmGarvin replies "There will be a brief not too messy "gang war". One side will know to minimize civilian casualties on the grounds of good business and the other side 'opefully won't see too much of it comin' until they've taken a big nasty 'it. They'll be the odd untidy bit but the result should be a transfer of assets from ruddy degenerate sociopaths to yer run of the mill career criminals loyal to their own roots and people - and also loyal to the New Domain. All required forces are already in place and will be fightin' with both the element of surprise and what I'd call 'ome field advantage".helvorn wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 9:00 pmWilliam replied grimly. "He's going to purge them the old-fashioned way with knives in the dark. I approve. The problem will be managing the precedents we set."terrymixon wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 8:53 pm “Perhaps I’m being dense, but I’m not sure. I really understand what you’re saying. What kind of anarchy are you looking to cause and who’s going to be involved in creating it?”
He adds "Whatever level of victory is achieved the Nobility and the Corporates will be lookin' to their own affairs and not interferein' in those of state at least for the short to mid term. You get yer military "breathin' space" to establish the New Domain with the backfield quiet and a good 'eadstart on tidyin' up what's left of the local opposition".
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"I'm staying out of the gang war discussion. Not my wheelhouse. But before we go too far with our plans, I'm wondering if the Crown Princess shouldn't transfer any and all Omicron held Ancients artifacts into her possession on Glisten. The sooner we send word for transfer to Glisten, the more Ancients tech we can gather.
I'd like to keep that tech out of Dulinor or whatever faction's hands they may fall into. Also, we may actually be able to use them. Aster, your thoughts?"
"I'm staying out of the gang war discussion. Not my wheelhouse. But before we go too far with our plans, I'm wondering if the Crown Princess shouldn't transfer any and all Omicron held Ancients artifacts into her possession on Glisten. The sooner we send word for transfer to Glisten, the more Ancients tech we can gather.
I'd like to keep that tech out of Dulinor or whatever faction's hands they may fall into. Also, we may actually be able to use them. Aster, your thoughts?"
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"I think we have a year to decide," she said. "And, like I said earlier, they are likely on Vincennes and Pax Impirii is a week away from there and already in jump space. As we have a teleportal to that ship, we are already doing what we can and can't do more on that subject for a week."Thumper wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 12:18 am Walt-
"I'm staying out of the gang war discussion. Not my wheelhouse. But before we go too far with our plans, I'm wondering if the Crown Princess shouldn't transfer any and all Omicron held Ancients artifacts into her possession on Glisten. The sooner we send word for transfer to Glisten, the more Ancients tech we can gather.
I'd like to keep that tech out of Dulinor or whatever faction's hands they may fall into. Also, we may actually be able to use them. Aster, your thoughts?"
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Garvin, apparently making a visible effort not to begin with "Look...." replies "No. No, it won't be as bloody as the always most bloody option! Ruddy 'ell! Takes a commoner with a title to explain it to an Empress! An' if you don't like what I'm sayin' or 'ow I'm sayin' it you can 'ave the title back. You asked!" He takes a measured breath "As a minimum they won't be any more loyal - but that's not the point! They will be hugely less disloyal than your own nobility. If Dulinor wants to turn these new "landords" to his cause he's got to start from the ground up instead of them probably bein' related to him by bloodlines that'd make the dwellers of the rookeries in Collace Underhive blush and amoral enough to turn traitor at the drop of a hat. Dulinor's also a noble so it likely wouldn't even occur to him to lower himself to make deals with these "replacement social inferiors" just as, by dint of the same social station, he sees cold blooded murder as a reasonable solution to his own personal issues".terrymixon wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 10:49 pm"That sounds as bloody as a civil war," she said after a few moments. "And what says those who replace the others will be more loyal to me? A pardon in advance? First, if word of that ever leaked--which it would--then it would haunt my reign. Second, it would probably be a case of the new boss, same as the old boss. I don't know..."Tiglath wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 9:28 pmGarvin replies "There will be a brief not too messy "gang war". One side will know to minimize civilian casualties on the grounds of good business and the other side 'opefully won't see too much of it comin' until they've taken a big nasty 'it. They'll be the odd untidy bit but the result should be a transfer of assets from ruddy degenerate sociopaths to yer run of the mill career criminals loyal to their own roots and people - and also loyal to the New Domain. All required forces are already in place and will be fightin' with both the element of surprise and what I'd call 'ome field advantage".
He adds "Whatever level of victory is achieved the Nobility and the Corporates will be lookin' to their own affairs and not interferein' in those of state at least for the short to mid term. You get yer military "breathin' space" to establish the New Domain with the backfield quiet and a good 'eadstart on tidyin' up what's left of the local opposition".
He stops himself "Look I'm not really any good at runnin' Empires an' I'm sure I'm bang out of order already so I'm sorry for that... but 'ere we all are... An' to me it looks very much like the Imperial nobility 'ave let down the people they're supposed to look after. Badly. Now, I'm not suggestin' a Domain wide revolution - just moves selected on a case by case basis against your biggest threats".
His mood visibly lifts and he smiles as he looks over at his wife "There's no bookie I know that'd take a bet that Aster 'asn't got a "naughty list" of 'oo needs a visit. As various local Firms take out chunks of Corporate or Noble domains or holdings each will become much smaller entities and thereby easier to manage and of much more limited threat. In turn these domains will be now much less efficient weapons in your own 'ands but any invader will still 'ave to fight through 'em so I say make the change now. You must know that the price they'd demand for their "negotiable loyalty" might well be more than you'd ever want to pay in any event".
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"Don't get your panties in a twist, Garvin," the main Ciencia said. "I want to hear what you're saying and I'm thinking about it. I appreciate your insight and opinion, no matter what I decide to do."
She looked at everyone. "There is a lot going on and this is going to be chaotic no matter what we do. My mother is a political animal, and she has insights into what is going on in the core that we don't. If she says the fractures are too wide and it's going to come apart no matter what we do, then it probably will. That isn't to say we can't try to minimize the impact, but we probably won't be putting things back the way they were."
"I do hate saying so," her mother said. "Nevertheless, the various factions there will strike as soon as they hear my husband is dead. Like a great stone thrown into a pond, the ripples of change are flowing out from Capital, and we have as much chance of stopping them as ordering the tides to stop. The best we can hope for is to influence the eventual outcome, but riding the tiger is a bad idea."
The Ciencia that looks different than her original self nodded. "We've got a lot to think about, but we have time. Word won't get to Corridor for about five months. Is that right, Roscoe?"
"Twenty weeks via Express Boat from Captial to Dilub Rou, the first stop in the Corridor Sector," he said promptly. "They are like the old Pony Express. One arrives, transmits the data to the tender, and another one heads off once the data is moved to the new ship and any additions and subtractions are made. That process takes maybe an hour, so no great impact on the schedule. Then the original boat heads back the way it came when new data is ready, and the ship has been prepared. That is exactly five months. Impressive. The news would get to Vincennes after 32 weeks, but news would be everywhere by then and spreading like wildfire."
"When you study the scouts as hard as I have, you learn things. If we want to keep word of the assassination at bay, the narrows is the place to do it. Can we do anything to get more time?"
"If we had access, yes," Metz said. "I could filter the news and messages after decrypting them, remove any mention of the assassination or civil war, and then seal the message traffic back up. So long as the express boat pilot goes back the way he came and the crew on the tender is loyal to us, that will stymy word until regular shipping makes its way in. We have access to plenty of scouts. If we can verify the loyalty of a crew or two to place in the narrows, that would give us months of extra time. Two teams to be sure word doesn't somehow slip past the first."
Ciencia Prime nodded. "I don't like interfering in people's private messages, but a few extra months could be a godsend. What do you all think of that as a starting point?"
She looked at everyone. "There is a lot going on and this is going to be chaotic no matter what we do. My mother is a political animal, and she has insights into what is going on in the core that we don't. If she says the fractures are too wide and it's going to come apart no matter what we do, then it probably will. That isn't to say we can't try to minimize the impact, but we probably won't be putting things back the way they were."
"I do hate saying so," her mother said. "Nevertheless, the various factions there will strike as soon as they hear my husband is dead. Like a great stone thrown into a pond, the ripples of change are flowing out from Capital, and we have as much chance of stopping them as ordering the tides to stop. The best we can hope for is to influence the eventual outcome, but riding the tiger is a bad idea."
The Ciencia that looks different than her original self nodded. "We've got a lot to think about, but we have time. Word won't get to Corridor for about five months. Is that right, Roscoe?"
"Twenty weeks via Express Boat from Captial to Dilub Rou, the first stop in the Corridor Sector," he said promptly. "They are like the old Pony Express. One arrives, transmits the data to the tender, and another one heads off once the data is moved to the new ship and any additions and subtractions are made. That process takes maybe an hour, so no great impact on the schedule. Then the original boat heads back the way it came when new data is ready, and the ship has been prepared. That is exactly five months. Impressive. The news would get to Vincennes after 32 weeks, but news would be everywhere by then and spreading like wildfire."
"When you study the scouts as hard as I have, you learn things. If we want to keep word of the assassination at bay, the narrows is the place to do it. Can we do anything to get more time?"
"If we had access, yes," Metz said. "I could filter the news and messages after decrypting them, remove any mention of the assassination or civil war, and then seal the message traffic back up. So long as the express boat pilot goes back the way he came and the crew on the tender is loyal to us, that will stymy word until regular shipping makes its way in. We have access to plenty of scouts. If we can verify the loyalty of a crew or two to place in the narrows, that would give us months of extra time. Two teams to be sure word doesn't somehow slip past the first."
Ciencia Prime nodded. "I don't like interfering in people's private messages, but a few extra months could be a godsend. What do you all think of that as a starting point?"
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"I'm just a cop," Jaelah says,"so I don't know much about politics or naval operations, but it sounds good to me. What will you do about the cargo ships and passenger liners that travel between us and the rest of the Imperium?"terrymixon wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 5:25 pm Ciencia Prime nodded. "I don't like interfering in people's private messages, but a few extra months could be a godsend. What do you all think of that as a starting point?"
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"That sounds like a good initial strategy to me. Buys time for us to recreate the Marches as a unified entity and let Metz build hardware, build loyalty through the availability of advanced tech, and train more naval personnel. I like it."
"That sounds like a good initial strategy to me. Buys time for us to recreate the Marches as a unified entity and let Metz build hardware, build loyalty through the availability of advanced tech, and train more naval personnel. I like it."
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"Let them pass. Once regular traffic starts bringing word, it will be past time to let the news arrive."joertexas wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 5:33 pm"I'm just a cop," Jaelah says,"so I don't know much about politics or naval operations, but it sounds good to me. What will you do about the cargo ships and passenger liners that travel between us and the rest of the Imperium?"terrymixon wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 5:25 pm Ciencia Prime nodded. "I don't like interfering in people's private messages, but a few extra months could be a godsend. What do you all think of that as a starting point?"
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Jaelah nods. "My portfolio includes law enforcement and security. I'd like to focus on ensuring the pocket universe is protected. William, Walt, and Aster are also assigned to these areas, so we will review our status and make any needed changes."terrymixon wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 9:38 pm"Let them pass. Once regular traffic starts bringing word, it will be past time to let the news arrive."
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“Then unless anyone has any major objection, that will be the plan,” Ciencia said. “The rest, while important, is less immediately pressing than the Zhodoni delegation. The ambassador proved he was a wily and skilled opponent, and now he knows far more than I would like. How do you think we should approach things with him?”
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"I think we shouldn't divulge anything about your father's death," Jaelah says. "He will put together the pieces once he hears of it, but that won't be for a few months yet. The same goes for the other polities like the Sword Worlds and the Aslan. By the time the news arrives, you will hopefully have the Marches under firm control."terrymixon wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 3:13 pm “Then unless anyone has any major objection, that will be the plan,” Ciencia said. “The rest, while important, is less immediately pressing than the Zhodoni delegation. The ambassador proved he was a wily and skilled opponent, and now he knows far more than I would like. How do you think we should approach things with him?”
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