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Alien

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It's hard to overstate how influential this film was. Released in 1979, it was the first of the successful R rated scifi films, inspiring many in its wake not least of all John Carpenter's The Thing and Escape From New York, Heavy Metal, Terminator, and Blade Runner. It changed what the studios were willing to do.

Once again we have horror masquerading as science fiction. A personal favorite, especially in my teen years.

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Casting John Hurt to portray agony never fails.


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It's easy to forget how radical having Ripley as the female lead was in its day.


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So too was the incredible, unsettling production design by H. R. Giger, making it perhaps the most faithful H.P. Lovecraft movie ever.


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Later, the franchise leaned into action-adventure/horror...


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...which is probably the tone I'll adopt for this game.

Any unrequited love for aliens out there? :mrgreen:

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Stepehn King mentions "Alien" in his book _Danse Macabre,_ referring to it as a haunted house movie in outer space.
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"'Danse Macabre" is a great book! In it, King says if you want to understand a culture, look at their horror.

In the 1950s, the cold war inspired films with alien invasions, bodysnatchers, and the idea that anyone could secretly be a monster/alien/communist.

By the 1970's and early 80's, cancer was a greater fear than Soviet invasion, sparking body horror films like Alien, Coma, The Thing, Blade Runner, American Werewolf in London, Altered States, and Cronenberg's viscous stuff, where your body itself is under siege. The self as monster.

King deftly dissects this with the two American "Thing" movies. The Thing From Another World is a 1950s alien invasion flick where amoral scientists (recently responsible for the horrors of the A-Bomb) range from useless to complicit. But the brave, patriotic soldiers (the heroes of WWII) defeat the monster through grit, cool and determination.

The same story, set in 1982's The Thing adds body horror in that the monster can now infect and replace you. The military (recently shamed by Vietnam) is represented by Gary, who is useless to stop the monster. Instead, the scientists are the camp's only chance of understanding the enemy. They and the anti-establishment types, like MacCreedy and Childs, are the protagonists.

Same story, different "cultures."

King also compares the difference between the 1950s and 1970s versions of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.

Fyi, Stephen King has an essay at the front of "Night Shift" that explores the origins of horror. It reads as a shorter, simpler, first draft of "Danse Macabre." Worth a look.

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#104 Post by Scott308 »

Now this I like! I was so pissed my mom and grandma wouldn't take me to see Alien in the theater with them. I was only 7, but still! I had already seen Jaws in the theater. My brother couldn't take any more when they found the wreck and the eye came floating out. My dad had to take him to the lobby, so I was the only one in the theater for the rest of the movie. I would have been just fine seeing Alien, dammit!
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Scott308 wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:06 pm Now this I like!

Finally! :lorcl:

But I wouldn't take a 7 year old to Alien. That chest bursting scene is still a shocker.

Speaking of which, was anybody taken in? When did you realize where I was headed? :mrgreen:

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When the creature started coming out of his chest. I didn't see this one coming.
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#107 Post by Yrkoon »

I now fully expect Kirk to arrive in a deLorean.
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#108 Post by ravenn4544 »

Didn't see it coming. Was thinking you were setting up a new character introduction -- but i guess not ;)
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Glad I was able to surprise you. I was afraid the new chapter title could give it away. With surprises, riddles and clues, it's still hard for me to predict what's glaringly obvious and what's impossible to figure out. :)

Yrkoon wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:26 am I now fully expect Kirk to arrive in a deLorean.

:lol:
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#110 Post by Urson »

I don't know if I was 'taken in' or not, Inferno. Your games are always such a roller coaster anyway....
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Urson wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:45 pm Your games are always such a roller coaster anyway....
Yeah. A long wait beforehand. And afterwards, you want to throw up. :lorcl:

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I'm one of VERY few role-players I know who has never had much interest in any kind of horror.....Cthulu doesn't do anything for me (plus Lovecraft's rampant racism is VERY hard for me to try and get thru), I never much liked the first Alien (while still fully acknowledging it's a brilliant work.....I am MUCH more a fan of Aliens), I was never a big fan of King or anything about serial killers, etc. Just born without that gene, I guess.....

On the other hand, I am QUITE a fan of many of the other things listed in this thread....like Mad Max, Logan's Run, Blade Runner (I still haven't seen the second one.....I'll have to get around to that at some point), the original Star Trek.....that last one sparks a memory....

I think I must've been the last person on earth to watch the original 60s show before the Next Generation came out. In the summer of '87 I was 11 years old and my family and that of my Aunt and two favorite cousins (who introduced me to role-playing a few years before with AD&D) took a summer vacation for a week at a lake. While on that vacation, my cousins had brought along a map and some miniatures of Star Trek ships and some rules (I later found out they were rules from FASA's Star Trek RPG) and had ship battles. I was fascinated......they told me it was Star Trek, and I guess on some level I knew about Kirk and Spock and 'beam me up Scotty'....but after that vacation, I spent Sundays watching re-runs of Star Trek on Channel 45.....and then that fall, Star Trek the Next Generation came out.

To this day, I have mostly disdain for TNG......I knew, even as a child that Picard was probably the best actor to ever be a regular on Star Trek; and in a VERY different way I was a big fan of Deanna Troi.....but Riker just SUCKED....he didn't even have a JOB.....I mean, Spock was the Science Officer....all this shmuckatelli did was bark out orders and try to talk the Captain out of going on missions.....and don't get me started on having KIDS on the ship or the Spock-wannabe that Data so OBVIOUSLY was.....(I am being silly for any big TNG fans out there....I have gotten over my childhood thoughts/feelings...mostly....:) )

Anyway.....as a man in his mid 40s, I'm one of the VERY few I know who did not watch TNG first...and therefore find the 60s show "cheesy, low-budget, terrible special-effects, etc."......to go along with being a rare RPG player who doesn't like Heavy Metal music and doesn't really get the appeal of Conan or Cthulu or Morlock........but clearly, I know nothing......like Jon Snow. :)

But hey, those Vance novels ARE pretty damn good! :)
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Thanks Max. Enjoyed reading that!
max_vale wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:11 amI'm one of the VERY few I know who did not watch TNG first...and therefore find the 60s show "cheesy, low-budget, terrible special-effects, etc."

The original Treks are all on Netflix and, in George Lucas style, all the special effects have been digitally "remastered," including the space battles. Rebuilt with computer animation.

So, if any of you were standoffish on STOS because of the special effects, stand off no longer! :mrgreen:

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I have had this gumbo brewing for some time. The comments, marinating in a soup ready to bubble over, now I think I am ready to give it all out.

As I said somewhere in these Archives, Star Trek is perhaps the closest thing I have to an organized religion. I adore it. It makes me feel safe. But I am a sort of puritan about it. I have a lot of friends that say 'Any Trek is good Trek' I disagree. That is why while I tolerate Enterprise as a show if nothing else is on, I could not stand it when it came out. Let us not even speak about Discovery or what those CBS hogs turned Trek, into a subscription.

FREE TREK FOR ALL!!!

If Star Trek is an organized religion, a fanatic preacher of sci-fi; Dungeons and Dragons is easily my mother archetype. Played around a tabletop, with a snack thrown in, or deep in a dark cozy basement- D&D was my absolute comfort food. For a supremely awkward but imaginative kid growing up in the Eighties- I needed a LOT of comfort (yeah I was a kid from Weird Science- but fat).

Speaking of Weird Science. In the eighties there was a strange sci-fi movement- the favorable- preferred dystopia (unlike what we are going through today- a boring apocalypse). It spun series' like Mad Max, Blade Runner, and that Tom Petty video.

https://youtu.be/mtLpZWNyM0I

It was a preferred apocalypse, where the selfish and tacky world of the eighties was blasted out of existence, leaving Mutant Year Zero or Gammaworld. I was one of those guys, one of those guys, the guys that were waiting for the Russians to press the button so that this whole damn society could MUTATE!

I hurrahed the other references to Planet of the Apes- classic, not that new Cesar crap! Wondrous for Doctor Who. Where Star Trek saved the world with a giant fleet of ships, Doctor Who did it with a damn screwdriver!

Yes, bravo, Inferno, bravo- for bringing us a stunning menagerie of our shared subconscious- Jung would be proud!

But then you brought in Alien.

Alien (1979), I was nine years old and I saw the trailer in my cousin's house- 'In Space No one can hear you Scream!". I saw that damn egg crack green and spent the entire evening in a half trauma screaming "WHY CAN'T THEY HEAR YOU SCREAM WHATS OUT THERE??????"

(As a child and well into my early adulthood, I suffered from numerous, operations, procedures, tests and other things that the medical profession found vastly humorous, so there is a bias, a big one.)

The trailer, the damn toys, the little glimpses I had of the creature, of the style, continued to scare me so damn bad that I think I waited another ten years to watch the movie. And I did so reluctantly. It still scared the very depths of my core. No doubt because the entire ship looked surgical, and the alien birth was anything but surgical. I watched Aliens with bravado, knowing that there 'could only be one' in the end. You know how many times I heard "You get away from her, you bitch!" after that movie came out?

But still I have an irrational fear, and a healthy respect for the alien franchise. I almost became sterile when they fused the predator and alien universes (Ye gods- one CREATED the other? It was better than when I heard a cinema legend about the Clone Wars).

[Way back somewhere in the clouds of the late seventies and early eighties. I think between Empire and Jedi, a theory came out about what the Clone Wars was. To combat the Sith, who outnumbered them, the Jedi made clones of themselves. But since these were copies, the force just did not work right with them. So they in turn, became Sith.

OH YE GLORIOUS GODS OF GALADOR THAT IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT GEORGE DID!]

I don't do surgical horror and I detest horror video games except on godmode (I tried playing F.E.A.R. First Encounter Assault Recon way back in 2005- I was 35- and all I wanted was for NOTHING to happen in the video game!

So that is why Chaka is stunned. Yeah sure, I was real lifed for a few days but its also I'm also injecting a bit of player pooping in the pants into the player character.

If that's metagaming, fine. I'll still be under the bed...

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#115 Post by ravenn4544 »

Nicely written :)

And F.E.A.R scarred the shit out of me - that was really well done. The ending sent me out of my chair :)
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Ending, there was an ending? Never was brave enough for the ending!
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#117 Post by Yrkoon »

I appreciate you drawing back the curtain on your psyche, Valdus. Good read. As a kid, I felt the same way about D&D (Wow!) and Alien (soil myself).
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#118 Post by Inferno »

Thanks Valdus. Great stuff. And I love your new avatar.

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Azoth Al-Aziz: Lovecraftian Cultist, Tamoachan
Blodget: Foolish Young 9th Level Hobbit, Dark Clouds
Dredd Doomsmith: Dwarven Deathtrap Engineer, Tomb of Horrors
Elijah Crowthorne: Marooned Prophet, Pirates
Jack in the Green: Ancient Child, Giants
P.T. Codswallop: Larcenous Impresario, Dimwater
Sir Ugghra: Bestial Half-Orc Aristocrat, Brotherton
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#120 Post by Urson »

A deeper dive than I'm willing to make, that's for sure.
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