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Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:31 pm
by Leitz
BackworldTraveller wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:57 pm I can see several steps here - each could go wrong!
  1. Getting to talk to the guy (directly or indirectly) {Streetwise or Diplomacy}
  2. Getting him to bite {Persuade - and a clear explanation of what the bait is}
  3. Getting the corporation to bite {Broker - but if he's properly bitten that would be his skill & contacts not yours}
  4. Price negotiations {Science(Psychology) might help as will Broker}
All would be helped by good intel on the guy's personality and corporate position

You may need a getaway plan once you reveal your identity and the info you are selling just in case of it all going sideways!
Actually, Shoyebe doesn't want his corporation involved; it would weaken his promotion position. The deal is just between Shoyebe and Angelo, two businessmen making a normal transaction for mutual benefit.

Giving him a short time frame allows him time to verify Angelo's reputation but puts pressure on him to decide. The pressure isn't false, the faster he agrees the better off he is. He'll have to make the transport arrangements for Kiko, but he's from there and a humanitarian mission is hard to for a bureaucrat to decline.

As a Broker, Angelo is dealing with a set price sale. However, he's making it very easy and very good for Shoyebe. Not too easy, Shoyebe needs to transport the child, and will have to work within his corporation to realize the profits. However, that's the reputation he has so it's not a stretch to think that he's willing to do it again and won't turn down a prime opportunity. From Shoyebe's perspective, the deal really is that good. One less obligation, he makes some cash, and promotion is probably in the bag. There is no trick Angelo is playing; it's a fair deal. Which is Angelo's reputation. Big deals, powerful, but still fair.

Keep in mind that Angelo isn't hitting this cold; he's heard about Shoyebe, he's more like Shoyee than he'd care to admit in public, and he's interacted with Becka. Angelo has a reputation of interesting deals done fairly and he has a marketable product worth serious money to the right player. If he was connected to a large corporation he'd keep the data himself and make millions just in bonuses. He can also talk with Becka's parents, but time is limited for him as well. He's already reviewed Shoyebe's public bio, and gotten his Broker insights.

The rolls would be something like:
1. Streetwise-1 plus Int-1 To contact him, but that's pretty easy to get his communications info.
2. Persuade-3 plus Edu-1 To introduce the deal in one solid breath.
4. Broker-4 plus Edu-1 To phrase the deal clearly so that Shoyebe sees how it is a win for him.

I'm not sure if you're up for giving Angelo the edge because of his inside knowledge, and you know how much I dislike the roller. However, this is a pretty big play for the game. Well, it doesn't really change the universe, but it's something Angelo wants to happen and he's applying his best to the job.

If the above plan looks good, here are some rolls.
Streetwise [_2d6+2]=(3+5)=8+2=10
Persuade [_2d6+4]=(4+3)=7+4=11
Broker [_2d6+5]=(3+6)=9+5=14

Okay, I take back every mean thing I've ever said about the Dice Roller!

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:51 pm
by BackworldTraveller
Leitz wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:31 pm
BackworldTraveller wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:57 pm I can see several steps here - each could go wrong!
  1. Getting to talk to the guy (directly or indirectly) {Streetwise or Diplomacy}
  2. Getting him to bite {Persuade - and a clear explanation of what the bait is}
  3. Getting the corporation to bite {Broker - but if he's properly bitten that would be his skill & contacts not yours}
  4. Price negotiations {Science(Psychology) might help as will Broker}
All would be helped by good intel on the guy's personality and corporate position

You may need a getaway plan once you reveal your identity and the info you are selling just in case of it all going sideways!
Actually, Shoyebe doesn't want his corporation involved; it would weaken his promotion position. The deal is just between Shoyebe and Angelo, two businessmen making a normal transaction for mutual benefit.

Giving him a short time frame allows him time to verify Angelo's reputation but puts pressure on him to decide. The pressure isn't false, the faster he agrees the better off he is. He'll have to make the transport arrangements for Kiko, but he's from there and a humanitarian mission is hard to for a bureaucrat to decline.

As a Broker, Angelo is dealing with a set price sale. However, he's making it very easy and very good for Shoyebe. Not too easy, Shoyebe needs to transport the child, and will have to work within his corporation to realize the profits. However, that's the reputation he has so it's not a stretch to think that he's willing to do it again and won't turn down a prime opportunity. From Shoyebe's perspective, the deal really is that good. One less obligation, he makes some cash, and promotion is probably in the bag. There is no trick Angelo is playing; it's a fair deal. Which is Angelo's reputation. Big deals, powerful, but still fair.

Keep in mind that Angelo isn't hitting this cold; he's heard about Shoyebe, he's more like Shoyee than he'd care to admit in public, and he's interacted with Becka. Angelo has a reputation of interesting deals done fairly and he has a marketable product worth serious money to the right player. If he was connected to a large corporation he'd keep the data himself and make millions just in bonuses. He can also talk with Becka's parents, but time is limited for him as well. He's already reviewed Shoyebe's public bio, and gotten his Broker insights.

The rolls would be something like:
1. Streetwise-1 plus Int-1 To contact him, but that's pretty easy to get his communications info.
2. Persuade-3 plus Edu-1 To introduce the deal in one solid breath.
4. Broker-4 plus Edu-1 To phrase the deal clearly so that Shoyebe sees how it is a win for him.

I'm not sure if you're up for giving Angelo the edge because of his inside knowledge, and you know how much I dislike the roller. However, this is a pretty big play for the game. Well, it doesn't really change the universe, but it's something Angelo wants to happen and he's applying his best to the job.

If the above plan looks good, here are some rolls.
Streetwise [_2d6+2]=(3+5)=8+2=10
Persuade [_2d6+4]=(4+3)=7+4=11
Broker [_2d6+5]=(3+6)=9+5=14

Okay, I take back every mean thing I've ever said about the Dice Roller!
What's wrong with that - three rolls of average or better! I'll put together some appropriate transcripts based on the above rolls and the (not mentioned to date) hinderances! Won't be immediate though...I need to remove jack-hammer feeling from head before writing long articles

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:56 pm
by Leitz
If you want, I can draft the scene off-line for your critique. It will be moving and beautiful if I have anything to say about it. ;)

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:33 pm
by BackworldTraveller
Leitz wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:56 pm If you want, I can draft the scene off-line for your critique. It will be moving and beautiful if I have anything to say about it. ;)
Hmmm...Marginal Success as you talk your way past the (unexpectedly human) secretary (but that is all you needed)
Near success as you bang you head against the wish to continue to control his ex-wife's life (8+ rolled would have worked)
Success as you give him the ammunition to manipulate his wife's life again!

But I need to think to put that well!

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:38 pm
by Leitz
Are we reading the same rolls?

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:22 pm
by BackworldTraveller
Leitz wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:38 pm Are we reading the same rolls?
Yep - Getting him to give up control of his child is hard. (12 needed). Getting him to agree to intervening in gaining control of his ex-wife's workplace is easy (6 needed) - He gets to manipulate her life again! But you have definitely tempted him! You can almost see the cogs whirring as he looks for ways to split you from Becka in the process!

n.b. I'm basing this guy on a real person (who I won't name for obvious reasons!)

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:38 pm
by Leitz
He doesnt have to give up control of the child, he can kiss millions goodbye easily enough. If a 12 was needed then he has deep issues that money can't solve. Angelo's plan was to make it easy for him to say yes. Much nicer than killing him, but Angelo would be happy with that option too. He seems a bit unbalanced to be a parent.

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:04 pm
by Leitz
I apologize if that came out poorly, work stress is piling up and the feeling of one more impossible goal hit too close to my current stressors.

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:31 pm
by BackworldTraveller
Leitz wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:04 pm I apologize if that came out poorly, work stress is piling up and the feeling of one more impossible goal hit too close to my current stressors.
Not impossible - you just need to find the right leverage!! You have a couple of helpers who could dig for some.

And there is no rush

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:34 pm
by Leitz
Did Mrs Kayuba give an address? If so Ranjit will be detailed to find it, and if it's a rental then Angelo will pick up the rent for the year. If she owns, he'll cover some of the expences. Either way, he'll send flowers if they are available.

Posted some potential leverage in IC. :) I had to go for a walk and get some sun.

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:40 pm
by Leitz
BackworldTraveller wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:31 pm Not impossible - you just need to find the right leverage!! You have a couple of helpers who could dig for some.
You mean like Shoyebe realizing that if he doesn't play nicely then the data will go elsewhere and someone high up in his management chain might get the word that Shoyebe turned down a billion in profit to control a six year old? What would his life be worth after that, since his patents will transfer to Olympus upon his untimely heart attack...

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:06 pm
by BackworldTraveller
Well lets see how this pans out...one thing I have learned is that no story survives contact with it's characters!

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:23 pm
by Leitz
Angelo will have Ranjit get some more information on Shoyebe's first ex wife, as well as his current one. To include length of marriages (does Shoyebe get bored after a few years?) and any allegations of, well, anything.

He'll also ask Jackson if he knows of anyone who could provide security during a business deal. Hopefully nothing happens, but they get paid either way.

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:55 pm
by Leitz
Are the comments from Becka's parents giving Angelo any more ideas on modifying his rolls even more? Or opening a plan avenue? My brain is a bit fried and this is likely to be a busy weekend.

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:58 am
by BackworldTraveller
Well, the rolls only actually apply when you get to the appropriate bit in character...If you can apply appropriate bonuses by that time all the better! As some pirate once said..."They are more guidelines than actual rules."

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:58 am
by Leitz
Hmm...would it work to have the wife deliver the child? Certainly Angelo isn't going near Olympus or anything they control. Maybe he can book a flight for himself and Kiko on a ship leaving port shortly? He can also check on flights that have arrived recently, and figure out how to suggest he came in on one of those.

On the other hand, meta-game, would it be possible to destroy Shoyebe? Not the usual "shoot him", though if that can be done legally it's certainly something Angelo would opt for. If he can draw him out a bit, so that he's exposed, and then lop off his head (literally or figuratively), that would work. However, I'm new to this sort of game. That's why I was hoping a simple purchase would work.

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 6:09 pm
by Leitz
Okay, my mind has been wandering on this. Given Angelo's skills and nature, what other things can he do to lean things his way?

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 6:27 pm
by BackworldTraveller
Leitz wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 6:09 pm Okay, my mind has been wandering on this. Given Angelo's skills and nature, what other things can he do to lean things his way?
Well - Shoyebe is a security officer...who is charged with keeping secrets secret. So, who guards the guardian? After all the guardian is a security risk. So how do you make him look like a security disaster?
Away from Ares, he won't have anywhere near the same political clout.

Or - Shoyebe is clearly interested in your offer...it's just not quite the right price. As the old quip goes...
"Would you sleep with me for a million?
Yes
Or for a tenner?
What kind of woman do you think I am?
Well, we've already established that - now we are just negotiating the price"

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 12:18 am
by Leitz
As has been pointed out, the product has a short shelf life. Trying to maneuver Shoyebe would take more time than that shelf-life, wouldn't it? Or do I misunderstand?

Re: Leitz Character Notes (Angelo)

Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 7:29 am
by BackworldTraveller
Leitz wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 12:18 am As has been pointed out, the product has a short shelf life. Trying to maneuver Shoyebe would take more time than that shelf-life, wouldn't it? Or do I misunderstand?
The information is marketable. Shoyebe is amenable to leverage. Shoyebe's leverage is power/vengeance against perceived wrongs rather than money - particularly awkward to get money. So what to get Shoyebe to trade? Or can you get him out of his current position so he loses control over his family?