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ravenn4544 wrote:...a quick rundown of the battle and the now (why should he be surprised, really) moving statue.
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Norjax wrote:Satisfied that Hallagad is safe, for the moment, Rool downs his last healing elixir. (I assume this ends the effects of the polymorph self potion)
Actually, drinking one potion while another is still in effect would be mixing the potions, which can have interesting effects. And unlike a spell, there's no way to end the potency of a potion early (other than by a dispel magic, a wish, or other magical means)—when it's in your system, it has to work its way through the natural way.

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Zhym wrote:Actually, drinking one potion while another is still in effect would be mixing the potions, which can have interesting effects. And unlike a spell, there's no way to end the potency of a potion early (other than by a dispel magic, a wish, or other magical means)—when it's in your system, it has to work its way through the natural way.
Would Rool have the experience to know if doing such a thing would have a catastrophic affect?

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#24 Post by Zhym »

Everyone would know that mixing potions has unpredictable results, and that those results may be highly beneficial or catastrophic. Everyone also knows that drinking one potion while another is in effect mixes the potions.

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Zhym wrote:Everyone would know that mixing potions has unpredictable results, and that those results may be highly beneficial or catastrophic. Everyone also knows that drinking one potion while another is in effect mixes the potions.
In other words this is what happened to the last person that mixed potions...
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Then Rool would not drink the healing potion. I'll edit my post.

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Norjax wrote:Then Rool would not drink the healing potion. I'll edit my post.
Remember that is only a "potential" outcome :D :lol: but I don't want an exploding Rool either.
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#28 Post by Zhym »

Yeah—a big boom is only one of the possible outcomes. Rool could end up being able to permanently polymorph!

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GreyWolfVT wrote:
Norjax wrote:Then Rool would not drink the healing potion. I'll edit my post.
Remember that is only a "potential" outcome :D :lol: but I don't want an exploding Rool either.
Thanks for your concern! ;)
Zhym wrote:Yeah—a big boom is only one of the possible outcomes. Rool could end up being able to permanently polymorph!
Are these published or house rules? I'd like to use them in my games! :twisted:

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#30 Post by Zhym »

DMG p. 119: "Potion Miscibility." BTB, there's a 1% chance of an explosion, a 1% chance that one of the potions becomes permanent, a 75% chance that both potions work as normal, and a variety of other possibilities beneficial or baneful.

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#31 Post by Urson »

DMG, page 119 has the "Potion Miscibility Table". Of course, Zhym may be using his own...
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#32 Post by ravenn4544 »

If only one could make a potion of healing permanent :)

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And you've already seen that things sometimes work differently where you are. Might help you, might not.

Also, at a certain level, the risk of damage isn't even all that great. An explosion does 6d10 internal damage, which averages at 33 HP. Not something you want to experience when you need healing, but not life-threatening to a fully-healed PC at the level of this adventure. Heck, a PC with enough HP might experiment with mixing potions just to find that rare combination that will make one potion permanent.

Of course, the DMG also says "Roll for miscibility secretly whenever it occurs. Give no uncalled-for clues until necessary." So, I guess I've messed up there. ;)

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Thanks for the reference!

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Urson wrote:DMG, page 119 has the "Potion Miscibility Table". Of course, Zhym may be using his own...
You mean this? :D
Table removed by DM. Let's try to leave some mystery to the process, okay? ;)
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#36 Post by Zhym »

I removed the table from your post, Ed. Let's leave a little mystery for those who don't necessarily want to see the exact rules in the DMG.

And anyway, like I said—that table may or may not apply here.

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#37 Post by GreyWolfVT »

mystery ok my bad :oops: sry Jim
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#38 Post by ravenn4544 »

Can malibran move to attack the vulture ledge thing? He's certainly too far away from the statue/ledge.

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#39 Post by Zhym »

The vulture ledge is about 35' above the floor on which Malibran currently stands. Does Malibran have a way to get up there?

He can't attack from the floor—the combatants are far enough down the ledge that it shields them from any attack from below.

Hallagad has a similar issue if he wants to engage in either combat. Tanner and Khogeki are 35' up, and Odilo and Xale are 15' up to aft.

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ravenn4544 wrote:Malibran moves south to lend what aid he can...
"South" meaning to where Xale and Odilo are?

They have a similar issue: the ledge where they stand, that was a few inches above the water when you first entered the room, is now 15' above the floor of the room. Think of Malibran, Hallagad, and Risdac as standing in the deep end of a big empty swimming pool, with Xale, Odilo, the monster, and the statue all fighting on the pool deck.

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