What about 'fudge dice'?

[Ithril]

Would it be possible to put in a 'fudge dice' option? Syntax similar to

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Input: [3d6F:1,2,3]
Output: [3d6]=6

or

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Input: [_3d6F:1,2,3]
Output: [_3d6]=(1+2+3)=6

The display and links would flag it as a fudge roll for the game master, but players wouldn't see any difference in the code when/if they search it?

Just an idea that some GM's might find useful.

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[ToniXX]

Please explain (or post a link) to what fudge dice are and why one would use them. Based on my initial and cursory search, it sounds interesting.

[dmw71]

Please explain (or post a link) to what fudge dice are --

It looks to me like you're forcing the outcome of a roll. In both examples, they provided 3d6 rolls of 1, 2, and 3; totalling 6, which matches the output:

Input: [3d6F:1,2,3]
Output: [3d6]=6

Input: [_3d6F:1,2,3]
Output: [_3d6]=(1+2+3)=6

It's almost like the dice aren't being rolled, you're just forcing whatever outcome you want.

-- and why one would use them.

I can't help you here.

I personally can't stand the idea, but it may work or be helpful to others.

[Scott308]

Fudge dice are 6 siders with two sides each +, -, and blank. You add the results, so if you rolled +,+, blank, -, the total would be +1. This determines how successful you are on a test.

You can use a d6, with 1 or 2 equating to a negative, 3 or 4 being a blank, and 5 or 6 becoming a positive.

[rredmond]

Of course Scott knows this.

I think the roller can do a d3 too, to make it even simpler. I thought we were trying to figure out the DM would decide what the roll was before rolling. And then wanted to reflect that in the roller. I’d say you just keep all the rolls “behind the screen” if that’s what you want to do. Some DMs here do that.

Anything else would be subject to abuse by players methinks. Anyone who knows our old character generator, and the amount of 16s, 17s and 18s it use to “roll” would understand what I’m saying.

[Rex]

I agree, if the intent is to make it look like something was rolled that wasn't I would prefer it not be possible and the DM just say "behind the screen" or nothing at all. I have no issues with a DM fudging rolls if they want but I don't want it available to players under any circumstance.

[Ithril]

...[T]he intent is to make it look like something was rolled that wasn't... but I don't want it available to players under any circumstance.

This, exactly.
The intent is to allow the DM to 'fudge' the roll, so it appears as a natural roll for the players, while the result is predetermined. Perhaps I'm overthinking it.

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[thenewflesh]

Fudge here refers to the system (Free Universal Do-it-yourself Game Engine, excellent system) not to 'fudging die rolls'. In actuality a 4dF fudge die roll is just 4d3-8 (or in general XdF is just Xd3-2X), so there is no need to implement this feature.

[rredmond]

I don't think we've ever had a FUDGE game here, but the die rolling sounds interesting. Sounds like a lot of math in real life?

[thenewflesh]

No, the math is super-simple OTB: for every 1 or 2 you roll, subtract 1; for every 5-6, add 1; 3-4 do nothing. Add your skill and attribute bonus (this varies game-by-game; FUDGE is a kind of game-design toolkit and lets the GM write their own skill- and attribute-lists); and compare against a difficulty threshold or the opponent's result. And online of course 4d3-8(+bonuses) is simple to type in. Very easy.

[ffilz]

I don't think we've ever had a FUDGE game here, but the die rolling sounds interesting. Sounds like a lot of math in real life?

Also, in face to face gaming, if you have FUDGE dice, they have 2 sizes with -, 2 with +, and 2 blank. Very quick to set aside the blank ones, pair up - with a + and count the remaining - or + dice.

[Scott308]

Once you get the hang of them, Fudge dice are super easy to use...even if I want a piece of fudge every time the system gets mentioned.

[rredmond]

Reading my mind man.
It’s definitely interesting stuff to hear. Might have to look up those rules.

[AsenRG]

Reading my mind man.
It’s definitely interesting stuff to hear. Might have to look up those rules.

Here you go...
https://fudgerpg.com/products/fudgerpg.html

And technically, Fate (being itself an iteration of Fudge) also uses Fudge dice .

Personally, I prefer just using d6-d6. The range is similar, but it tends a bit less towards the middle (Fudge dice result in a +0 way too often for my taste).

[rredmond]

Thanks!